this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias.
things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should have the option (but never be forced) to use it. if this is about kids then use california style on device age signals set by parents.
i just dont think addiction by itself is something we should be fighting. yes i believe in legalizing all drugs how could you tell.
This sentence has no meaning in a modern context. The US government has declared bike lanes to be "DEI". Everything is political.
"Choice" doesn't work. Everyone is under information and attention span overload. There isn't time to research what goes into the food you eat much less everything else going on in your life.
Addiction is exactly what laws should be fighting, be it social media, drugs, or something else. In a free market, people should be free to choose where they spend their time and money, but people aren't free if they're addicted. Addiction causes them to spend their time and money on things which they wouldn't consent to, if it weren't for addiction. For Instagram, the harm is the lost time, and whatever else they could have done with that time. Addictive stuff disrupts the whole market / society, not just the individual.
One thing that's potentially different, at least for Facebook, is the network effect. It only takes a few friends to start using Facebook for event planning for people to start missing events or worrying about missing out. That extra pressure cuts against individual choice.
Instagram is different, but you can see something similar happen on platforms with a chat feature. If people start to gravitate towards a singular app for talking, coordinating, etc. then there's the potential for resisters to be socially excluded. For most people, feeling socially excluded is a strong motivator. So far, this has mostly resulted in everyone having a fairly broad set of apps with chat features, so I'm not sure the centralizing power is as strong.
The overwhelming majority of local businesses around me don't have websites, just a FB page. If you want to look at upcoming events, specials, restaurant menus, etc. you either have to hope FB doesn't throw up the "you need an acct to see this page" blocker, or sign up.
Hey nice to hear somebody taking about social feature of a social network when so much of this is about profiling people through infinite scrolling content from strangers.
It'd be hilarious to see the EU demand interop on features like Events, Groups, Marketplace.
> i just dont think addiction by itself is something we should be fighting.
People who say this do not understand how powerful biology is. Nor do they understand that they are putting people with certain genetics more at risk.
"Choice" to people genetically prone to addiction is a trap. So unless you want to figure out the polygenetics of addiction and then have everyone tested for their genetics so they know there risk I will say I strongly disagree with your viewpoint, because there is no informed risk and you are promoting suffering with our beliefs.
The choice already exists: migrate to bluesky, pinksky, mastodon, pixelfed. Create repost bots to start the network effect with content from Instagram. Clearly label the repost bots and choose accounts that aren't reposted yet.
Alcoholic drinking mocktails can experience significant withdrawal symptoms like fever or seizures with potentially fatal results. What do you think will happen to all those "addicted" people after they uninstall TikTok from their phones?
I did. I went crazy and even injured my hand with a deep cut because I have ADHD too. Recommend wearing thick gloves for a week or maybe three weeks to pŕevent injury, do not take them off if you wash dishes by hand wear another glove or several so that you don't cut yourself and to keep your hands dry. Then i realized i was very depressed and didn't want to face my problems like child abandonment
What point? That people experience fatal withdrawal symptoms when they stop "consuming" social media? I find that very hard to believe. Do you have any research proving such claims?
First, to be addicted to something does not mean there has to be the same profile of withdrawal that we see in other drugs. Most of the diagnbosis only means you have an obsession that effects your day to day life in a way that causes harm.
But I do not understand your cognitive bias and why you will not do a simple search.
A behavioral addiction such as SNS addiction may thus be seen from a biopsychosocial perspective [16]. Just like substance-related addictions, SNS addiction incorporates the experience of the ‘classic’ addiction symptoms, namely mood modification (i.e., engagement in SNSs leads to a favourable change in emotional states), salience (i.e., behavioral, cognitive, and emotional preoccupation with the SNS usage), tolerance (i.e., ever increasing use of SNSs over time), withdrawal symptoms (i.e., experiencing unpleasant physical and emotional symptoms when SNS use is restricted or stopped), conflict (i.e., interpersonal and intrapsychic problems ensue because of SNS usage), and relapse (i.e., addicts quickly revert back in their excessive SNS usage after an abstinence period).
According to mean withdrawal effects on cognitive skills, 97.6% participants in group A were able to complete task within assigned time before cessation and after cessation only 57% participants were able to do so, while in group B 94% were able to complete task before cessation and only 72% of participants were able to do so after cessation. Lastly, the mean BP reading checked in group A before cessation was 114.54/82.34mmHg and after cessation, it increased to 122.47/90.34mmHg whereas in group B, before cessation the mean BP reading was 118.32/84.88mmHg and after cessation it was 121.42/88.63mmHg. Conclusion: It is concluded that the addiction status of social media users and smokers is almost similar. This leads to the outcome that social network abuse is as harmful as smoking on focus, concentration, cognitive skills and increment of anxiety and BP.
> First, to be addicted to something does not mean there has to be the same profile of withdrawal that we see in other drugs. Most of the diagnbosis only means you have an obsession that effects your day to day life in a way that causes harm.
I never disputed that. I disputed OP's comparison with alcohol which like other GABA agonists (benzos, etc.) can cause lethal physical withdrawal symptoms. Looking at the downvotes a lot of "man, I scroll TikTok 10 hours a day because I addicted man, literally like heroin, but worse, man!!1" types got offended. Guess people took it as challenge to their victim identity or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> But I do not understand your cognitive bias and why you will not do a simple search.
But I did.
> According to mean withdrawal effects on cognitive skills, 97.6% participants in group A were able to complete task within assigned time before cessation and after cessation only 57% participants were able to do so, while in group B 94% were able to complete task before cessation and only 72% of participants were able to do so after cessation. Lastly, the mean BP reading checked in group A before cessation was 114.54/82.34mmHg and after cessation, it increased to 122.47/90.34mmHg whereas in group B, before cessation the mean BP reading was 118.32/84.88mmHg and after cessation it was 121.42/88.63mmHg.
So after uninstalling TikTok they will experience a few weeks of decreased mood and concentration but be fine overall? Seems like we are in agreement then!
> a few weeks of decreased mood and concentration but be fine overall?
Do you not understand that this make the addiction worse? Because people like you say "no big deal" while these poor people are stuck in thgis addiction being numbed and brainwashed?
You are a fucking jackass and I am tired of your techno-apologists trying to minimize everything bad about what the world has created.
> choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms
A few years ago I would have agreed with this sentiment however after watching many adults (and children) fall into addictive AI slop alternate reality hell holes, I just want it to stop. Likewise, I prefer not to live in a society that enables drug addicts to walk the streets and used needles to litter the pavements every 10cm like empty Coke bottles.
We regulate things we know will be abused, and we are often the better for it. Social media is no different.
I agree with you, for a an adult, the choice should be given and not enforced, it's same with smoking or alcohol consumptions. Both are terrible for your health on the long term, but the side effects are clear and open and people can make an educated decision.
Any attempt to ban political bias will reveal huge political bias.
Now I don’t mean all political biases are equal, or that all biases are absolutely wrong. Of course my biases are better™. But this days it looks like even stating that genocides are bad™ is not as consensual as it used to be in Europe over the last few decades, so what do I know.
things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should have the option (but never be forced) to use it. if this is about kids then use california style on device age signals set by parents.
i just dont think addiction by itself is something we should be fighting. yes i believe in legalizing all drugs how could you tell.