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The old internet is still there, it's still growing. It's just covered in a thick layer of corporate shit sites. All you have to do is be the change you want to see. Start hosting your website from home. Code it by hand. Don't use any javascript frontends. It's a good time.

As for finding others, well, HN isn't a bad place to start. Just install an RSS reader client and every time you find yourself enjoying an article check the site to see if it has an RSS feed. In fact, do this with every web interaction. Pretty soon you can completely decouple yourself from content aggregators and start perceiving the web as a community again.



https://millionshort.com/ lets you exclude that thick layer of corporate shite. Search without the top million (or 100k, 10k etc) sites. !mill from DDG.

Not perfect but often turns up those personal homepages, hobby sites and esoterica the early internet thrived on. Stuff that Google and co forgot existed - or is down on page 200+


Ooh, that's nice. I'm definitely using that. Thank you.


oh yeah, such a funny and nice idea :)


I've been missing the old internet. A little while ago I tried to find StumbleUpon and discovered it's transformed into more of a social media thing. I took a couple days to recreate what I thought of as the core StumbleUpon functionality - click button, get random site. And I've been trying to aggregate what feel like unique, individual, not well known sites into my index for it.

https://stumblingon.com

It currently gets about ten unique visitors and one or two submissions a day.


I used to love StumbleUpon. I haven't thought about it for years. Thanks so much for making this. Let me know if you need an extra human to moderate submissions or whatever :)


Awesome site!

It would be cool if you made the button linkable, so you can bookmark it and get a random URL each time.


Yeah, or a quick firefox addon like stumble used to have!


Thanks - I have thought about a browser add-on. Making it work based off a link seems like an easy upgrade too. I'll add it on to my to-do list for the site.


This is great! Thanks for making this!


Shameless self plug but I did a simple site recently to this effect (though it is hosted on a free Heroku account):

http://iwillansweryouremails.com

I like that I'm not tracking anyone, it doesn't require UI/UX, I have little to nothing to gain from it - it's just a human connection. Something fun we might have seen in the early years of the internet.


That's fun, well done!


> Don't use any javascript frontends.

I'm struggling to find the connection between a Javascript front end and content that has (to quote the article posted) "the voice of individuals"


Because getting content on the web is only as difficult as people make it, and beneath all the bloat of "modern front end development practices" there is still a simple set of tools to work with.


Exactly. You can basically pick any subset of web technologies and just use those.

And honestly, when teaching the average person how to make a website, they should just be taught the minimum required to make a valid HTML document.

I think it's something like:

  <!DOCTYPE html>
  <title>My first webpage</title>
  Hello, World!


You can create a free account or a site on blogspot or Wordpress with significantly less friction. That is still a full-fledged website, and not an IG page or Twitter that's a walled garden serving only logged in users.

In this day and age, nobody is going to bother with writing HTML markup when they've used rich text editors to compose everything from emails to Tumblr posts.

Back in the early 2000s I used to write music reviews for a site called Epinions. They didn't have a rich text editor, so if you wanted to do bold, you needed to wrap those words in a <b></b> tag, or <i> tag for italics. It was extremely irritating to have to do that, especially if you were pasting in the content from a pre-existing Word doc that already had all the proper formatting.


More like:

   Hello, World!


HTML is bloat :)


If you use the same JS frontend as everyone else it isn't very individual and form constrains content. The reason people use JS frontends is because they're at work being paid to do it. Time and the ability for your coworkers to contribute matters. You don't have to bring these compromises forced on you at work to home.


>If you use the same JS frontend as everyone else it isn't very individual and form constrains content.

You seem to be confusing the implementation of a site with its content, and assuming that homogeneity of layout corresponds to homogeneity of content. It's an understandable bias to find in a community of programmers and web developers, but it isn't true.

The pages of a book are uniformly sized, generally speaking uniformly colored with one of a very narrow set of fonts and typefaces, spaced and typeset according to an industry standard - and yet this places no constraint at all on the nature of the content that can be displayed within those pages. In the same way, a website rendering content on the frontend rather than the backend is an implementation detail which has nothing to do with what content is rendered.

And even in the 90s, many sites looked similar. Rather than having standard templates focused around typography, people just copied what other sites were doing, using the same table-based layouts with black backgrounds and GIFS, and none of that necessarily made the content any better than what exists today.


> The reason people use JS frontends is because they're at work being paid to do it

And of course employability and the need for buzzwords on your resume.


JavaScript is the first path down a road that leads to tracking and ads and optimization. It's too easy to think, "I'll just serve this JS library off X CDN" and voila, you've enabled someone to track your users. "No JavaScript" keeps you honest.


> Start hosting your website from home.

This isn't feasible for a large chunk of the population, mainly because ISPs like Comcast love to give you 500 mbps down while limiting your upload to a pitiful 10 mbps.

Host a single 100K image that hits the front page of reddit and your home internet gets hugged to death.


How many 100k image hits do you get on your personal website you made for fun? In the entire 20 years I've hosted my website on my comcast connection I have never had this issue. If you're going to post an image to reddit (which is kind of going backwards from the point of all this) then just mirror it onto some popular image host (or your VPS). This doesn't prevent you from also serving up a copy from your local disk to visitors.

1 megabit of upstream is plenty for a personal website. I can say this from long experience.


when comes time for your personal websites 15 minutes of fame it becomes inaccessible due to severe upstream bottlenecking


If that 15 minutes of fame is so important, put up a load balancer with autoscaling or make sure the Wayback machine archives every post upon publication.

Not every site needs to have 3+ nines of uptime.


While yes, that would work, we were talking about hosting things yourself at home.


Obviously, if I'm going to share the image, I won't link it directly and would use an image hosting service, or just upload it directly to reddit for them to host.

That does nothing if some other rando decides to link to it.


Put it behind cloudflare, problem solved.


Even better, you can store images on B2 for just 5 USD/month/terabyte and front it with Cloudflare for free traffic. https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666928-Using... https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/360010017893-Ho...

You can host your HTML/JS/CSS on Github Pages fronted by Cloudflare again for free.

For dynamic stuff, I just set up an ElasticSearch cluster with three VPSes from https://php-friends.de/vserver-ssd/vserver-schnupperspecial-... for the grand total of 10EUR/month... these are some serious hardware for 4 EUR (inc German VAT): dedicated two dedicated Haswell or Broadwell cores, 6GB RAM, 65GB SSD. Slap Ubuntu on them, then https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.ht... and https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-live-patch-ubuntu-linux-... will keep your server secure.


Then you aren't hosting your own website from home anymore.


IPFS solves this. You only need to host an index of the content, plus the "seed" copy, for anyone else to download and mirror as they please.


It solves it so long as you are happy to upload several gigabytes a day seeding nothing just to keep up with DHT chatter:

https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3429


I'm guessing this is being downvoted because after all, for unpopular stuff, you're still going to be the one hosting your content.


If it is unpopular, then the resources required to host the content are manageable.

If it is popular, the IPFS users seed it to each other so your load is still manageable.


Good point!


But wouldn't it solve the problem of your server exploding during your sites 15 minutes of fame? So many users at once could use the P2P of IPFS and take load off the server.


A pitiful 10mbps, eh?

Back in my day...

That's your 100K image 10 times a second, or 600 times a minute.

You could also just like, run a caching server on a 5$ VPS.


Right, but then you wouldn't be hosting it at home anymore, which is what we were talking about.


The only difference is that your final SSL termination would occur on a host that's better placed to handle the load. Literally everything else could be done on-prem e.g. at home.

Realistically this 'oh no I got hammered by HN' case is something that is irrelevant anyway. If you're really worried about it, don't host large image files, sorted. The "old internet" didn't have that stuff anyway because we were all on slow connections, 100KB took 10+ seconds to load on dialup.


Any way around this? Surely i don't need an industrial setup to scale my home website


You don't, the reality is it's extremely unlikely this happens and if it does the worst outcome is high bandwidth use + the image doesn't load for everyone. Hardly the end of the world.

You can very easily host things on a paid server though, which these days cost very little, use another image host or S3/similar when if things went crazy popular.


> worst outcome is high bandwidth use + the image doesn't load for everyone. Hardly the end of the world.

No, the worst outcome is that your home internet connection is being effectively DDoSed.

You could probably apply some QoS on your router to minimize the effect, of course.


Free Cloudflare account


As I'm mentioning in other comments, then you wouldn't be hosting from home.


I think most isps also block outgoing traffic on port 80 these days. At least, that's the issue me and some friends found when we tried to host websites on our various ISPs.


We need our personal websites to start linking directly to each other again… friends, coworkers, mentors, related topics, etc…

This trend died out, it used to be on practically every website. Maybe people just figured Google would find and sort everything for them. But now the search engines are packed with SEO garbage and offer no discoverability or serendipity.

Time to start sharing homemade link lists again.


So much this. Unfortunately post google reader I never found an rss reader that really clicked with me as much. Part of it is because I followed a mix of text and just pure image sites, and par of it is the sites come and go and I haven’t found new sites. RIP ffffound and the like...


I set up my own FreshRSS instance. Maybe not like Google Reader but I find it better than nothing.


tt-rss works well enough for me as a google reader replacement

Better even since it has plugins to inline some comic strips where the RSS feeds are just links to the pages.


inoreader is about the only one that gave me the reader feel that i've liked


Neocities[1] and tilde servers like tilde.town[2] is a pretty large hub of old-internet sites. It's a free Geocities-like host that's home to a lot of neat, creative sites.

You can also get a VPS for about $5/mo and have your own self-hosted server with whatever servers and web apps you want, like an RSS reader, an IRC client, FTP/Gopher server, etc. (Shameless self plug: this is what I do with my own personal site, https://invisibleup.com)

[1] https://neocities.org [2] https://tilde.town


This is great, thanks for sharing. It's great to see a community like Neocities come to life with no ads and no bullshit.




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