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but what are they earning? I don't see a problem if someone making $30k/year isn't paying any taxes, especially if that someone is a single parent.


Really?

Let's put aside the single-parent part. Last year I made about $25,000.

I enjoyed the protection of the US military, was treated at hospitals using techniques developed with federal funding, and benefited from the federal regulation of interstate commerce.

I also had a nice room in a shared house in Santa Barbara, CA. I had a car, ate healthy food, went out to bars, and lounged on the beach.

Why shouldn't I have had to pay taxes?


Oh but you did pay taxes. The cost of your rent is directly tied to the amount of property tax that house owner is required to pay. All the goods you purchased would have been taxed as well. The gas you bought for your car helped pay for the roads. You may not have paid a federal income tax (I don't know if that is true though) but you still paid social security taxes, and your employer paid payroll taxes that factor in to how much you get paid.


> The cost of your rent is directly tied to the amount of property tax that house owner is required to pay. All the goods you purchased would have been taxed as well.

Well, we were talking about federal taxes. That's why I listed services of the federal government. Property and sales tax are state. Social security and gas axes are supposed to be a closed systems. None of those pay for the military, interstate commerce regulation, or medical research.

But the important thing is that I wasn't claiming I didn't pay taxes. (I did, although not much.) I was challenging the notion that I shouldn't be paying taxes just because I make less thank $30k.


Marginal utility.


> I don't see a problem if someone making $30k/year isn't paying any taxes, especially if that someone is a single parent.

You don't see a problem with that person voting to increase the amount of free-to-them stuff?

If enough stuff is free-to-me, I'm not going to do anything that other people will pay me to do.

How about you?


Are you really worried about low income households hijacking the national agenda?

Don't forget we live in a representative democracy.


> Are you really worried about low income households hijacking the national agenda?

I'd expect half of US households to have an effect on the national agenda.

> Don't forget we live in a representative democracy.

So? The question is whether something is a good idea, not whether it can get popular support.

Consider Justin Bieber.


It can happen. If you get a large enough body of voters that start to live off the government, that government can stay in power for a long time. See New Zealand from late 90's to a couple of years ago.




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