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Turn on showdead and see all the [flagged] "detractors" posting concisely.

O'Sullivan's First Law:

"All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O%27Sullivan_(columnist)#...


And that is because the right or the left moves further away in the political space? By definition it seems to be the right-wing moving more extreme rather than non right-wing all moving together towards the left.

Entryism. By definition it seems to be the left-wing moving more extreme rather than non left-wing all moving together towards the right. Democrats have shifted more to the left than Republicans to the right: https://archive.is/IILDt

Nobody who's not terminally online ever used BlueSky.

BlueSky and Mastodon are much smaller than Twitter/X, and they're staying on the platforms, so this is a moot point.

BlueSky and Mastodon are both open platforms designed around the ideals of digital freedom and control of your own data and feed. It makes perfect sense for the EFF to remain on platforms which are aligned with their goals. This is like criticizing them for dropping Microsoft Word but still using Libre Office.

Sure, but Facebook and TikTok are not "open platforms designed around the ideals of digital freedom and control of your own data and feed."

This makes absolutely no sense because EFF is staying on those platforms, so this point is also moot.

It's almost like there's an ulterior motive at play...


> It's almost like there's an ulterior motive at play...

If you actually read the article you would see the entire section they dedicated to addressing exactly this complaint. But then you wouldn't be able to whine about it here in good faith, would you?


>If you actually read the article you would see the entire section they dedicated to addressing exactly this complaint.

If you actually understood the section in question you would see it doesn't explain in any coherent manner why they're sticking with Facebook but not Twitter. But if you understood it then you wouldn't be able to whine about it here in good faith, would you?


Smaller platforms with more engagement? Entirely possible they reach more people on those platforms.

In any case, my point was more about the silly idea that it's imperative for any organization to be on the 8th-largest US site.


The most terminally online people left Twitter for BlueSky.

*Normal people who don’t want to hang around in a Nazi hellhole

Twitter: Normal people who don’t want to hang around in a Commie hellhole

BlueSky: Normal people who don’t want to hang around in a Nazi hellhole


Even if that was true, like so what? Why would anyone care? They are happier over there, so?

That quote is in the linked EFF statement, which you clearly didn't read.

True, I was looking at the linked thread as mentioned not the article.

"Come die in a war to protect the borders that no one respects, conserve a culture you can't be proud of, only to be replaced by a MENA migrant after you perish."

Thanks Obama!

Good luck, you're going to need it. I can see Tesla breaching $450 end of the year.

>Turns out you must have a smart phone

Any phone that can receive SMS, not a smartphone. You could purchase a burner flip phone for this purpose.


I don't think the assumption that SMS is enough is valid anymore.

My wife's elderly aunt has a flip phone that can receive SMS but not MMS. We just went thru an "identity verification" procedure with a major bank last week that sends MMS, not SMS, and could not reach her flip phone.

The whole ordeal was a huge pain in the ass and if my wife and I weren't there to help her it would have been completely impenetrable to her.


>My wife's elderly aunt has a flip phone that can receive SMS but not MMS.

Doubt it, model number?

>We just went thru an "identity verification" procedure with a major bank last week that sends MMS, not SMS, and could not reach her flip phone.

Double doubt it, verification services do not use MMS. It would be against NIST standards and not a single verification software sends MMSs. I work in this space. MMS is being deprecated across the globe, multiple telcos have already entirely disabled MMS at the network level.

You're likely confusing getting a verification number in the banking app, not SMS/MMS.


I don't have the make / model of her phone. I suppose it could be an issue with her phone plan, or settings on her phone. I don't have tons of experience in the wireless telco space and I'm sure I'm abusing terminology.

My Android phone says "SMS" under the "bubble", next to the time, when I send my wife's aunt a message. If I attempt to attach a photo to a message to her (which I've always thought was "MMS") she never receives the photo or any text I send with the photo. Nothing.

re: the identify verification

We had the bank send the message to my wife's phone. She received a message with a link to a website in the native text messaging app on her iPhone. My wife absolutely doesn't have the bank's "app" installed. The website linked in the message used her camera to photograph her aunt's ID and face. I don't know what color the "bubble" was on my wife's iPhone, which I know has some ability to differentiate SMS vs iMessage.

My aunt can receive text messages. She couldn't receive this message. That's what I know.


> multiple telcos have already entirely disabled MMS at the network level.

Really? Are they just presuming all of their customer can use RCS now? Or am I missing something?


>Really?

Yes, really!

>Are they just presuming all of their customer can use RCS now? Or am I missing something?

Vast majority presume customers are using WhatsApp or similar apps to share photos and such. RCS rollout has been slow, but picked up on the last few years.

Countries with operators that have discontinued MMS include: India (BSNL; from 1 November 2015),[16] Philippines (Sun Cellular, Smart Communications, TNT; from 28 September 2018),[17] Singapore (Singtel, M1, Starhub; from 16 November 2021),[18] Kazakhstan (Kcell; from 6 May 2022),[19] Switzerland (Swisscom, Salt Mobile; from 10 January 2023),[20][21] Germany (Vodafone; from 17 January 2023).[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service


Ah I forgot most of the world stopped using the phone part of their phone.

MMS is ancient. Ancient enough that my carrier disabled it entirely. Maybe the flip phone UI is shitty, or the carrier hasn't supplied the necessary APN info to the phone, or the phone hasn't been set up to use that APN because of a bug, or they're using some kind of modernized, non-standard MMS media type or something, but there's no way that phone can't receive MMS at all.

Like I said in my other comment - She can't receive a message with a photo from me. Just text, she can. It's an old phone, I think a Kyocera, and I believe her carrier is Cricket Wireless.

I could also buy a smartphone. The point is that I shouldn't have to.

Sometimes the code must be received through the bank’s app. I went though this process recently to open a new account (at a bank where I already had other accounts). I didn’t think much of it at the time, but if you didn’t have or want a smartphone, this could be a major problem.

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