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Seriously, it’s not worth reaching for less intelligence. Use Extended Pro 100% of the time for things you’d spend the amount of time GP spent writing their post.

I make codex do everything through a giant `justfile`. Simple, greppable, self-documenting, works great, and I don’t even need to read it.

Definitely would select the frowny face if that happened.

Might as well answer yes to the "are you a subversive" question

I’m not happy with their privacy policy [1]. I’m unfamiliar with the phrase “Parties with Other Legal Rights”. Given the well-documented struggles of Anthropic and others to provide enough compute, I wonder if “Parties with Other Legal Rights” constitutes part of the advantage here.

[1]: https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-pol...


Just run a local model or run deepseek from another provider with a policy you like. The models are open weight and widely available. Still cheaper than chatgpt and anything else through 3rd parties

this is the pitch - it's open source, run it yourself. But >99% of people will not have the hardware needed to run these models at a high enough quality to be close to SOTA. So they will run the open-source models on CCP systems for a good price.

What I mean is you can use providers who also host deepseek models for pennies without touching deepseek itself.

I’m only seeing 3x the cost of DeepSeek for other providers on Open Router. Is there a better place to look?

I haven't really had this issue but deepinfra claims to have us servers and looks pretty cheap to me.

According to state news, 47% of Filipinos are “competent” with English [1]. They care.

We all know what this is about. We’ve all had CS calls with accent friction.

What’s the point of using word games to sidestep a problem and the discussion of a real-world implementation of a solution?

[1]: https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1207936


I've had significant accent friction when I started watching British television after a long time of learning English from simply watching only American television. But I don't expect people in Britain to "fix" their accent.

Good for you. Now tell everyone in all 195 countries in the world to learn all 195 different accents that exist.

How much effort do you expect people to put into learning all variants of English? Do you even realize how biased your own perspective is?


Look up “generative engine optimization”

Inserting authorship claims is incredibly tacky. It’s today’s “Intel Inside” sticker. I don’t want your stickers on the computer I bought.

“Sent from my iPhone” isn’t an authorship claim.


Sent from my iPhone is worse than intel inside or claude in the commits in my opinion.

There is something so gross about injecting an advertising message into every single communication a user has on their device.


I recall there was some understanding that it had a legitimate use as well as the obvious marketing, which was to advise the reader that the message may be unexpectedly concise or contain errors because it was sent from a cell phone, something less common before the iPhone came out. BlackBerry phones did this too for the same reasons.

“Sent from my mobile phone” - no need to inject a product name

You misunderstand the purpose of "Sent from my iPhone" - it was a status symbol, it showed that the sender was part of the superior iPhone owning elite. It was trivial to remove, but most didnt "oh, I am too busy too remove it, I guess I'll just leave it and let everybody know I can afford an iPhone".

You are right, it was advertising, but it advertized the user, not Apple.


That's advertising with extra steps. Apple having created an ingroup and an outgroup is very effective advertising on their side.

I always thought this was an implicit request to forgive obvious typos and autocorrect mistakes. Sent from a mobile device (iPhone, Samsung Galaxy, Blackberry, Windows Phone, etc.) with a tiny keyboard and in a setting in which proofreading may not be as rigorous as normal.

At least “Sent from my iPhone” was a factual claim, unlike this mess.

“Sent from my iPhone” is a default signature, but you can change the message under Settings -> Apps -> Mail -> Signature (at the bottom of the options page)

These are the same thing. Marketing, and the ability to track reach. There's no other reason to do this.

On the flip side there are people who believe that LLM-assisted coding changes require attribution in git history.

As I've written elsewhere in the thread, having worked at a large Enterprise in collaboration with Legal, if there isn't tracking of what AI contributions you have, it's harder to be protected legally by ie Microsoft's indemnity clause if you're sued

It's definitely helpful to know whether a PR was AI-assisted or not and the git attribution line is a simple and effective way of communicating that.

I also recommend specifying model name and version so the maintainer knows upfront the level of slop they are dealing with.


What’s the problem with intel inside? That’s perfectly normal.

What’s the problem with intel inside? That’s perfectly normal.

I don't want my computer to look like it's racing in NASCAR.


If your NASCAR car had a sticker, you’d have ad money from STP/Pennzoil/RainX/whatever.

I would take a sticker for a sponsorship. That could be a good deal. Not for free though!

TFA mentions 20-year contracts between Del Monte and farmers. That seems to have worked so well that we have too many peach trees. Like, to me the present situation itself should assuage your fears. Are you thinking another processor/distributor won’t come along in the future with long-term contracts? Where will they get their peaches?

> Are you thinking another processor/distributor won’t come along in the future with long-term contracts?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. There are few crops where someone might want to lock in a 20 year contract. It's a major gamble for all involved. It's a gamble for the distributor because tastes might shift in 20 years (almost certainly a big part of why Del Monte went bankrupt) and it's a risk for the farmer because it's not clear that another distributor will look at these farms and think "You know what, I can pick up where that company went bankrupt".

> Where will they get their peaches?

Will they get peaches? That's really the question. They might just decide it's too unpopular and the price would have to be too high to support selling peaches.

Del Monte was a big reason why peaches are available. Similar to how Dole is a big reason we have bananas year round. If Dole goes bankrupt, we likely won't see bananas on the shelves. And we know this because there's more than just 1 variety of banana in the world. We have access to only 1 because there's only one distributor of bananas in the US.

We are moving into an era of private equity doing fast turn around profits on everything. The old way of business thinking that you can have a 20 year contract is likely dying. 1 year contracts are going to be much more likely because that's where a lot of the investment is going. And Del Monte is the poster child for why a business would shy away from doing a 20 year contract.


> We have access to only 1 because there's only one distributor of bananas in the US.

Aren't there 3, at least? Dole, Chiquita, and Del Monte?


In the US, there's at least that many.

I've also bought Fyffes bananas [in the US] in recent times; those probably came from Aldi.

The more diverse ethnic marketplaces surely have other sources. They've got their own ways of doing stuff. :)


The bananas I buy at Aldi are not Dole. Unless Dole sells under different brand names. But Dole is obviously the big player.

It’s great at

1. things you wouldn’t otherwise bother doing

2. things where it otherwise would get stuck iterating on hacky workarounds doomed to fail

“Reverse engineer this app/site so we can do $common_task in one click”, “by the way, I’m logged in to $developer_portal, so try @Browser Use if you’re stuck”, etc.

I just had Codex pull user flows out of a site I’m working on and organize them on a single page. It found 116. I went in and annotated where I wanted changes, and now it’s crunching away fixing them all. Then it’ll give me an updated contact sheet and I can do a second pass.

I’d never do this sort of quality pass manually and instead would’ve just fixed issues as they came up, but this just runs in the background and requires 15 minutes of my time for a lot of polish.


I guess the problem I see here is that if the use case is "things I otherwise wouldn't bother doing", that's fine, but it's pretty niche. I dunno, if you're talking about a human "Agent" (like say in sports or entertainment), they'd be a trusted person to handle business matters outside of your competency (contract negotiations, etc.). I don't see AI "agents" being at all like that, they're more like an intern you need to supervise constantly.

The law has a lot more stuff. I wonder what this part is all about:

> if a person suffers damages from a minor committing the same offense repeatedly on school grounds … the person may bring a cause of action against a parent or guardian with legal custody of the minor to recover costs and damages caused by the repeated offense … the court may waive part or all of the parent's or guardian's liability for costs or damages if the court finds … that the parent or guardian reported the minor's wrongful conduct to law enforcement after the parent or guardian knew of the minor's wrongful conduct.

And of course

> A person may not bring a cause of action against the state, an agency of the state, or a contracted provider of an agency of the state, under this section

Is this standard stuff?


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