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The aliens can update those plugins.

Good. The US is gone.

Digital sovereignty would always have been a good idea, regardless of the present insanity.

Who, do you think, controls the OS ?

> Good. The US is gone.

Yeah. But then the EU lost the plot a very long time ago. There is one EU company in the 50 of the world by companies market cap. One. Just freaking one. It's ASML.

From 2008 to today, in USD and inflation adjusted, the eurozone saw no growth. While both the US and China skyrocketed.

There's been this little thing lately that kinda took off: it's called AI. Where's the EU? How much of a leader was the EU in this AI revolution?

Explain how the EU is not long gone?

The EU is not even sinking at this point: it sank years ago. And it's busy making sure it's turning into the third-world.

I'm in the EU and honestly it's more than frightening.


This is all empty political rhetoric.

Billions of people exist in the EU. In real terms it has not gone anywhere.

Obsession with preserving political dogma, rhetorical forms, atheist appearing syntax and semantics (language that does invoke specific concepts of theology); political and economic abstraction that do not represent reality is not much different from religion.

By your measure every nation effectively died out centuries ago as some originating principles died with their originators of those principles. Yet here we are still discussing France and Russia and the US as real things. They only ever existed as ethno objects to begin with; things that only exist if we talk about them as existing.

So what if some rhetorical specifics that used to define the economic and political foundations of the EU mutate. That's immutable reality for you. It's bound to happen due to generational churn.

People who live there can still use the term EU to define whatever political structure and economic model they land on next.


how many billions?

If you have a point, one of billions, make it.

If you feel the entire premise is wrong over a B and not an M go away. I don't have time for pedants who play "guess my problem."


they were incorrect, it's ~450 million[0] (still 120 million more people than in the USA, i will note)

[0]: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...


Economic growth has been slow in the EU, but it's mostly a demographic issue. There are too many retirees, too few children, and the size of the workforce is stagnant.

Measuring economic growth in someone else's currency can be misleading. By the same metric you used, Eurozone economy grew by ~100% between 2002 and 2008.


Economically the EU might not keep pace, but the built infrastructure to live an enjoyable life is there.

I certainly had a delightful time visiting the winter markets across Europe, and it seemed like there were a fair number of people living well.

While the Eurozone might not be a great place to start a new business it is still a going concern, enough that those top 50 companies all have a European presence.


> infrastructure to live an enjoyable life is there

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but living in the US ain't exactly like Escape from New York or Escape from LA. For every Mississippi there is an analogous place in Europe, and for every Liechtenstein there is an analogous place in the US. I'm not sure if your comment is a counterargument or neutral commentary.


> For every Mississippi there is an analogous place in Europe, and for every Liechtenstein there is an analogous place in the US

Neither are true.


Name a single metropolitan area in the US with infrastructure on par with any single European one.

New York City. Compared to small cities like London, Paris, or Rome there are areas where it's not on par, but its multimodal transport, energy, heating, water, sanitation systems is larger and more comprehensive than most cities in Europe.

We have to pick some metrics, but I bet per capita buses and train cars are dwarfed by even cities well below the tiers you listed compared to NYC.

What's frightening to me is that even in the EU people seem to think that unchecked consolidation of services is a good thing. I don't think it is a good thing at all that there exist companies with a budget larger than an average country.

Is the budget of Saudi Aramco, of the King, larger than that of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, also of the same King? Why would that be not good, or bad?

Think about every international dollar the Kingdom takes from Aramco: would Aramco or the Kingdom make more profit from it, including taxes on the percent more Aramco makes from it than the Kingdom?


>There is one EU company in the 50 of the world by companies market cap. One. Just freaking one.

And this is a good thing. All 50 of them should be broken up anyway.

>I'm in the EU and honestly it's more than frightening

I'm in the EU and I love it. It's not perfect, but I wouldn't want to live in any other place. And in the coming fight for digital freedom EU is almost always on the right side.


Nobody. Just another flash in the pan.

We‘re all solar—powered animals.

Many bacteria and animals are chemically-powered or electrically-powered. Just one group: https://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/feature/lost-city-pumps-life-es...

You know what they meant.

Well it says "indirectly". How much indirect do they mean?

Good. The US is gone.


Good. The US is not to be trusted anymore.


Lol "anymore"

Vietnam war: i sleep

CIA regime change: i sleep

MKULTRA on its own citizens: i sleep

five-eyes global surveillance network: i sleep

orange man saying canada/greenland joining as the 51st state would be neat: real shit


That's a mild way to describe how the current administration antagonizes its allies

The keyword here is allies.


Yes, it always ends in tears.


"Pam Bondi? Hardly knew her, never met her. Terrible person."


Was always a stupid idea to bring screens into schools.


Thanks, but I'll stick to WordPress.


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