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This is why I really wanted Capyloon to take off [1]. The idea was to build a whole mobile OS around PWAs. App Stores are just CDNs. There are no weird rules about payment processors. The ecosystem did not need to start from scratch.

Unfortunately, it just never gained the necessary momentum.

[1]: https://capyloon.org/


I always wonder how different it would look for the myriad of failed open source projects like that, if they had just picked a more marketable name

I've still got a firefox OS phone in a drawer somewhere. I was disappointed it got discontinued like so many other mozilla projects.

If you're considering buying an iPhone, you can definitely afford a Pixel

Yes, but no pixels in my country.

eBay International exists and I've shipped my laptops from the US to Bolivia, Guam, Sweden, and before the war, Russia. You can definitely get a Pixel unless maybe you live in the DRC or the PRK

My quick take: this is basically just Markdown with LaTeX-style macros, except they're called functions, presumably because at least 1 of them has side effects (the one that defines new functions). I appreciate the syntactic purity of "everything is a function", but the casual integration of structure (html) and styling (css) smells a bit off, but I suppose that line was already blurry anyway.

This is cool. I think you'll find a lot of skepticism here for anything that tries to significantly alter markdown. I understand some of the criticism that functions can degrade source readability if overused. Sometimes Turing incompleteness is a virtue. But as far as adding functions to markdown goes, this is probably among the cleanest designs out there.


Quarkdown uses actual functions that return values, they aren't macros. As for source readability, it's possible to define functions in a separate .qd file and import it via .include {myfile.qd}

Sure, but if you factor in the possibility of never having to do a full system upgrade again, and instead just upgrading individual parts (including the chassis) as needed, the long term cost of ownership would be way lower if you commit to framework

Everything I've read about Frameworks quality control makes the above very doubtful.

If you watch the sales on other laptops you can easily get similar specs for half of what framework is charging. I have a 5070TI laptop I purchased for around 1200$ after a rebate.

Not only does the Framework 16 only offer the significantly weaker 5070 addon, it ends up totalling to about 2500$.

Maybe in 5 or 6 years Framework will sort out its QC and offer better GPUs, but it's not for me today.


It's already the case. I plan to upgrade my old 13 with some parts from the pro next year. I won't have to pay a full machine for a new screen, battery or touchpad.

At the price of the RAM (I never fill my 32GB, why would I buy any?), not buying a new machine basically pays for the first laptop premium.

Next upgrade, I'll be saving money.

And giving money to an ecosystem I like, creating a stronger competitor with those values.

Love it.


> If you watch the sales on other laptops you can easily get similar specs for half of what framework is charging. I have a 5070TI laptop I purchased for around 1200$ after a rebate.

Just to be clear: You are comparing today's Framework regular prices to a laptop you bought months or years ago, on sale?


I'm comparing the Framework 16's price with its addon to what was competing in the market around December 2025.

Almost every Windows laptop is perpetually on sale after the first few months.

If we want to crank it up a notch,

MSI Raider 16 Max HX (2026): 16" QHD+ 240Hz OLED, Intel Ultra 9 290HX Plus, RTX 5080, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD $2299.99 https://slickdeals.net/f/19458276-msi-raider-16-max-hx-2026-...

A 5080 laptop with 16 GB of VRAM Vs about 3000$ for the Framework with a 5070 and 8 GB of VRAM.


I don't think that is actually true - upgrading by selling your old laptop and buying a new one is still going to be cheaper than Framework's upgrades. I wish it wasn't but it is.

Not necessarily true, and not necessarily even a option sometimes.

In my case for example, the ThinkPad Z13 was the best laptop for me at the time. My main criteria generally is a top-tier AMD APU, first-class Linux support, machined aluminium body, 12-14" display. Only the ThinkPad Z13 met my criteria at the time, but there wasn't any in stock in my country. So my only option was to import it, and it was pretty expensive with all the import duties. A Framework would've been cheaper, but they didn't ship to my country and they also didn't have an aluminum chassis.

It was worth it though, I'm still using the ThinkPad and it's hands-down one of the best laptop+Linux experiences I've ever had.

It's now time for an upgrade. Unfortunately, Lenovo killed the Z13 line with no equivalent replacement, and everything else on the market currently has some or the other limitation (for me) - the most common limitation being lack of official Linux support.

Thankfully, Framework finally started shipping to my country this year, and their laptops also finally meet all my requirements (the previous models were all lacking the machined aluminum chassis). This also means that I may have found my "final" laptop at last, assuming Framework continues to deliver on their promise. Never again do I have to go hunting around for a Linux-first machined-aluminium top-tier 13" AMD laptop. And the best part is, I can just swap out the mainboard the next time I want to upgrade - which I guarantee will be way cheaper than buying a laptop that meets all my requirements, assuming it even exists.

But if you're not like me and you're fine with any random el cheapo Windows laptop, then yeah Framework is probably not for you.


Time value of money comes to mind for this, though

On 100k yeah, on 1k no.

Never apologize for pedantry here

It is funny how concerned and uncomfortable people are with death, but how little they think about pre-life, if at all

In the West, most will happily slaughter a cow but never a dog (and by slaughter, I mean allow someone else to slaughter it for you, but never be OK with doing it yourself). In many Indian states, cow slaughter is a crime. Many places in China traditionally ate dog meat. People all over the world make more-or-less arbitrary decisions about which animals are OK to kill, and that's before even talking about their fellow humans.

I'm not a nihilist and I do eat meat. I think we should minimize suffering to others. But I can see how anybody could be conditioned to think otherwise. It's not some inherent human instinct to want to preserve others' lives. We've had to develop that instinct culturally.



Xi is an obviously more capable and effective leader than Trump, but the US actually does have ways to boot people out of office when they do a bad job, and clear methods to choose successors, and China has neither. That matters more than who happens to be in charge right now.

> Which everyone seems to forget is a socialist country working towards world communism.

It's easy to forget because they actually built an incredibly vibrant capitalist economy.


They build an incredibly vibrant _market_ economy with no property rights and very little due process.

Imagine if Musk was disappeared during the Biden presidency into a diversity camp and came out looking like Dr. Frank-N-Furter and instituted mandatory LGBT struggle sessions at twitter.

This is what they did to Jack Ma: https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/24/what-r...


Ironically, there is a rich history of mandatory anti-gay camps in the United States, while there are zero instances of mandatory diversity/LGBT camps.

How does such a place not become a hook up camp? Even with total surveillance there the victims can like change phone number I guess.

do you ever get tired of making up scenarios to be scared about lgbt people?

Are you able to hold a hypothetical in your mind?

yeah but mine don't reveal my unhealthy obsession with trans people

More constructively, and moving on, do you have any suggestions for a good throwaway example of an extreme radical transformation in a person?

TBH I had a chuckle at the Elon -> Frank-N-Furter example that transcends any specific love or hate for either Elon or the Rocky Horror Show.


The point was being made that a billionaire figurehead drastically changed their views after an "indeterminate time" detained by national authorities.

IE what if Musk suddenly behaved in such a manner after being detained by a Biden administration. Wouldn't that be profoundly weird?!?

And yet, it happened to Jack Ma under the CCP.

But instead, you try to link the "weird behaviour" with the GP instead of the hypothetical Musk - whom this is fitting for.


> The point was being made that a billionaire figurehead drastically changed their views after an "indeterminate time" detained by national authorities.

> IE what if Musk suddenly behaved in such a manner after being detained by a Biden administration. Wouldn't that be profoundly weird?!?

We've seen that. Durov in France after detention began sharing Telegram users' data with authorities. It's unclear how much, but likely full real time access to all of it.


You sure have a way of making the Chinese system sound even more appealing.

It's all fun and games when the oppression is against your enemies. The problem is, if the system is set up like that eventually it'll be your turn.

It is my turn right now. The working class is being oppressed as we speak. That's why the system needs to be dismantled so we can strike back.

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